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Thanks to [http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule Karsten Nohl presentation at Hacker Space Fest], there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.
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== Microscope ==
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Thanks to [http://www.hackerspace.net/talks:reverse-engineering-rfid Karsten Nohl presentation] at [http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule Hacker Space Fest], there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.
  
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== Features ==
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Now we have to find a microscope...
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* Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
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** not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
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* We'll try to select and acquire a perfect microscope for this job.
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=== Features ===
 
These are the features we're looking for:
 
These are the features we're looking for:
 
* 500x magnification
 
* 500x magnification
 
* 2 MP to 8 MP camera
 
* 2 MP to 8 MP camera
 
* Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
 
* Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
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* Reflected (incident) lighting
  
 
Feature we DON'T NEED:
 
Feature we DON'T NEED:
 
* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xC3&oi=definer&q=define:confocal+microscopy&defl=en Confocal microscope] (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)
 
* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xC3&oi=definer&q=define:confocal+microscopy&defl=en Confocal microscope] (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)
  
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== Leads ==
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=== Links ===
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* Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
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* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
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** not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
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* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
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* [http://www.martinmicroscope.com/Digital&Video.htm Comparison of different microscope imaging solutions]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec07/dw-motictip.html Adaptor for standard cameras]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artmar05/dwmoticam.html Moticam review and some tips]
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* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 ebay search for adaptators]
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* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm Custom made camera couplers]
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=== Perfect Microscope ===
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Still selecting the right model.
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=== Leads ===
 
* Ebay? No perfect match yet.
 
* Ebay? No perfect match yet.
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Seben-SBX-5-Microscope-Binoculaire-SXGA-PC-USB-Oculaire_W0QQitemZ380042217560QQihZ025QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  Seben SBX-5 Microscope Binoculaire+SXGA PC USB Oculaire, 1.3MP camera, objective table, 379 euros]
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/DIGITAL-MICROSCOPE-40-1600x-with-LCD-and-3-1-MP-camera_W0QQitemZ140246783455QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11815QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  DIGITAL MICROSCOPE 40-1600x ,with LCD and 3,1 MP camera, objective table, 229 euros]
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Microscope-digital-raccordement-a-un-ordinateur-20-1280_W0QQitemZ140246782646QQihZ004QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Microscope Bresser Biolux, 0.3MP camera, objective table, 129 euros]
 
* Microscope.fr solution
 
* Microscope.fr solution
 
** Different leads from [http://www.optical-systems.com/ff_search_result.php/keywords/Microscopes/filter2/Microscopes/page/1/filter19/Imaging+Solutions/grid/1/minSimi/9500/sort/Preis/method/0 microscope.fr website]
 
** Different leads from [http://www.optical-systems.com/ff_search_result.php/keywords/Microscopes/filter2/Microscopes/page/1/filter19/Imaging+Solutions/grid/1/minSimi/9500/sort/Preis/method/0 microscope.fr website]
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*** Total: 638 EUR
 
*** Total: 638 EUR
  
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== Links ==
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=== Poor man microscope setup ===
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* Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
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** lent by Phil's friend
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* Objective table:
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** micro-screws controlled moving plate
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** possibility to buy one: [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-biolux-ng-mechanical-desk-p-2206.html]
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* Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
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** Mounting: Attached directly to the eye-piece
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** Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
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** Advantage: working and free
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* Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
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** Drawback: Low res.
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** Advantage: square images, adapted for the scope.
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=== Results so far ===
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* Req: 500x magnification or higher
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** This one goes up to 640x
 +
* Req: 2 MP to 8 MP camera
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** The Canon IXUS is 3.2 MP
 +
** Will need to take more photo as just 2/3rd of the picture is usable (round pictures)
 +
* Req: Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
 +
** Poor man setup with micro-screws, TO DO
 +
* Req: Reflected (incident) lighting
 +
** Reflected light works at lower magnification with daylight
 +
** Even for microscope which is designed for see-through
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** TODO: Need to buy adequate lighting.  Got to test with external lighting (HB LEDs?) at higher magnification (640x)
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== Abrasion ==
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* What kind of glue to use to attach the chip to solid/manoeuvrable support?
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* Abrasive paste
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/pate-a-polir-DIALUX-tous-metaux-or-argent-au-choix_W0QQitemZ350076603183QQihZ022QQcategoryZ120132QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem such as Dialux]
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== Software ==
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* http://hugin.sourceforge.net/
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== Documentation ==
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* [http://www.chillingeffects.org/reverse/faq.cgi#QID195 Is hardware reverse engineering legal?]
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= French=
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== Microscope ==
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La [http://www.hackerspace.net/talks:reverse-engineering-rfid présentation de Karsten Nohl (en)] au [http://www.hackerspace.net/schedule Hacker Space Fest] ouvre la voie à des bricolages interessants de reverse engineering.
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Maintenant il nous faut un microscope.
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* Un ami de Phil prêtera un microscope avec camera
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** Pas l'idéal mais devrait suffire pour les premières étapes d'abrasion et de grattage.
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* On va essayer de choisir et de se procurer le microscope idéal à cet emploi.
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=== Fonctionnalités ===
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Voila ce qu'on cherche:
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* grossissement 500x
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* camera de 2 à 8 megapixels
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* Table de manipulation qui puisse faire bouger lentement la puce (c'est à dire pas à la main, ça tremble et c'est trop imprécis)
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* Lumière réfléchie (incidente)
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Ce dont on n'a PAS besoin :
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* [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microscope_confocal Microscope confocal] (en tous cas on dirait pas, puisque on va gratter et retirer les couches supérieures et que les couches inférieures sont opaques de toutes façons)
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=== Liens ===
 
* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
 
* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
 
* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
 
* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
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* [http://www.martinmicroscope.com/Digital&Video.htm Comparison of different microscope imaging solutions]
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* [http://www.martinmicroscope.com/Digital&Video.htm Comparaison de différents produits de visualisation microscopique]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec07/dw-motictip.html Adaptor for standard cameras]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec07/dw-motictip.html Adaptateur pour camera normales]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artmar05/dwmoticam.html Moticam review and some tips]
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* [http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artmar05/dwmoticam.html article sur la Moticam et quelques astuces]
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* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 ebay search for adaptators]
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* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 recherche ebay pour les adaptateur]
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* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm Custom made camera couplers]
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* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm des coupleurs de camera faits maison]
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=== Le Microscope Parfait ===
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On le cherche toujouts.
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=== Pistes ===
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* Ebay? Pas exactement ce qu'on veut.
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Seben-SBX-5-Microscope-Binoculaire-SXGA-PC-USB-Oculaire_W0QQitemZ380042217560QQihZ025QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  Seben SBX-5 Microscope Binoculaire+SXGA PC USB Oculaire, 1.3MP camera, objective table, 379 euros]
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/DIGITAL-MICROSCOPE-40-1600x-with-LCD-and-3-1-MP-camera_W0QQitemZ140246783455QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11815QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  DIGITAL MICROSCOPE 40-1600x ,with LCD and 3,1 MP camera, objective table, 229 euros]
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Microscope-digital-raccordement-a-un-ordinateur-20-1280_W0QQitemZ140246782646QQihZ004QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Microscope Bresser Biolux, 0.3MP camera, objective table, 129 euros]
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* Solution Microscope.fr
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** Differentes pistes sur [http://www.optical-systems.com/ff_search_result.php/keywords/Microscopes/filter2/Microscopes/page/1/filter19/Imaging+Solutions/grid/1/minSimi/9500/sort/Preis/method/0 microscope.fr website]
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** Euromex
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*** [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-xe5627-discussion-microscope-p-3134.html Euromex XE.5627 Discussion Microscope] (299 EUR)
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*** [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-ae5175-ballbeared-mechanical-stage-p-3972.html Euromex AE.5175 Ball-beared mechanical stage] (169 EUR)
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*** either [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-dc3200-cmex3-digi-cmos-microscope-camera-p-3941.html Euromex DC.3200 CMEX-3 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (3 MP)] (989 EUR) or [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-dc1300-cmex1-digi-cmos-microscope-camera-p-3942.html Euromex DC.1300 CMEX-1 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (1.3 MP)] (469 EUR)
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*** Total: from 937 EUR to 1457 EUR
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** Bresser
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*** [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-trino-researcher-401000x-microscope-p-5231.html Bresser Trino Researcher II 40-1000x Microscope] (349 EUR)
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*** Inclus un support mécanique
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*** [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-pc-microcular-3-mp-p-2129.html Bresser PC MicrOcular 3 MP] (289 EUR)
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*** Total: 638 EUR
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=== Le microscope du pauvre ===
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 +
* Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
 +
** prêté par un ami de Phil
 +
* Table de manipulation:
 +
** plaque controlée par micro-vis
 +
** possibilité d'en acheter une: [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-biolux-ng-mechanical-desk-p-2206.html]
 +
* Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
 +
** Mounture: Attachée directement sur l'occulaire
 +
** Inconvénients: retourne une image ronde (pas carrée, mais sans déformation notable). Image d'un angle plus petit que ce qui est possible via une camera microscopique.
 +
** Avantage: ça marche et c'est gratuit
 +
* Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
 +
** Inconvénient: Faible resolution
 +
** Advantage: image carrée, adaptée au microscope.
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=== Résultats à ce jour ===
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* Objectif: grossissement 500x ou mieux
 +
** on atteint jusqu'à 640x
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* Obj: camer 2 MP à 8 MP
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** La Canon IXUS fait 3.2 MP
 +
** Il faudra prendre plus de clichés : seul 2/3 de l'image sont utilisables
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* Obj: Table de manipulation pour bouger les puces avec précision:
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** Le montage du pauvre, avec des micro vis, à faire
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* Obj: Lumière réfléchie incidente
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** La lumière du jour fait une lumière incidente correcte à petit grossissement
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** Même avec les microscope fait pour l'observation par transparence
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** A faire: Acheter un éclairage adéquat. Tester avec des vrais éclairages (HB LEDs ?) dans les forts grossissements.
  
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= Substrate =
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== Abrasion ==
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* What kind of glue to use to attach the chip to solid/manoeuvrable support?
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* Quel type de colle pour fixer la puce sur un support solide et manipulable ?
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* Colle abrasive
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** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/pate-a-polir-DIALUX-tous-metaux-or-argent-au-choix_W0QQitemZ350076603183QQihZ022QQcategoryZ120132QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem such as Dialux]
  
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= Software =
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== Logiciel ==
 
* http://hugin.sourceforge.net/
 
* http://hugin.sourceforge.net/
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== Documentation ==
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* [http://www.chillingeffects.org/reverse/faq.cgi#QID195 Le reverse engineering est-il légal ?]
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Latest revision as of 12:55, 24 February 2009

English

Microscope

Thanks to Karsten Nohl presentation at Hacker Space Fest, there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.

Now we have to find a microscope...

  • Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
    • not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
  • We'll try to select and acquire a perfect microscope for this job.

Features

These are the features we're looking for:

  • 500x magnification
  • 2 MP to 8 MP camera
  • Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
  • Reflected (incident) lighting

Feature we DON'T NEED:

  • Confocal microscope (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)

Links

Perfect Microscope

Still selecting the right model.

Leads

Poor man microscope setup

  • Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
    • lent by Phil's friend
  • Objective table:
    • micro-screws controlled moving plate
    • possibility to buy one: [1]
  • Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
    • Mounting: Attached directly to the eye-piece
    • Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
    • Advantage: working and free
  • Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
    • Drawback: Low res.
    • Advantage: square images, adapted for the scope.


Results so far

  • Req: 500x magnification or higher
    • This one goes up to 640x
  • Req: 2 MP to 8 MP camera
    • The Canon IXUS is 3.2 MP
    • Will need to take more photo as just 2/3rd of the picture is usable (round pictures)
  • Req: Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
    • Poor man setup with micro-screws, TO DO
  • Req: Reflected (incident) lighting
    • Reflected light works at lower magnification with daylight
    • Even for microscope which is designed for see-through
    • TODO: Need to buy adequate lighting. Got to test with external lighting (HB LEDs?) at higher magnification (640x)

Abrasion

  • What kind of glue to use to attach the chip to solid/manoeuvrable support?
  • Abrasive paste

Software

Documentation

French

Microscope

La présentation de Karsten Nohl (en) au Hacker Space Fest ouvre la voie à des bricolages interessants de reverse engineering.

Maintenant il nous faut un microscope.

  • Un ami de Phil prêtera un microscope avec camera
    • Pas l'idéal mais devrait suffire pour les premières étapes d'abrasion et de grattage.
  • On va essayer de choisir et de se procurer le microscope idéal à cet emploi.

Fonctionnalités

Voila ce qu'on cherche:

  • grossissement 500x
  • camera de 2 à 8 megapixels
  • Table de manipulation qui puisse faire bouger lentement la puce (c'est à dire pas à la main, ça tremble et c'est trop imprécis)
  • Lumière réfléchie (incidente)

Ce dont on n'a PAS besoin :

  • Microscope confocal (en tous cas on dirait pas, puisque on va gratter et retirer les couches supérieures et que les couches inférieures sont opaques de toutes façons)


Liens

Le Microscope Parfait

On le cherche toujouts.

Pistes

Le microscope du pauvre

  • Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
    • prêté par un ami de Phil
  • Table de manipulation:
    • plaque controlée par micro-vis
    • possibilité d'en acheter une: [2]
  • Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
    • Mounture: Attachée directement sur l'occulaire
    • Inconvénients: retourne une image ronde (pas carrée, mais sans déformation notable). Image d'un angle plus petit que ce qui est possible via une camera microscopique.
    • Avantage: ça marche et c'est gratuit
  • Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
    • Inconvénient: Faible resolution
    • Advantage: image carrée, adaptée au microscope.

Résultats à ce jour

  • Objectif: grossissement 500x ou mieux
    • on atteint jusqu'à 640x
  • Obj: camer 2 MP à 8 MP
    • La Canon IXUS fait 3.2 MP
    • Il faudra prendre plus de clichés : seul 2/3 de l'image sont utilisables
  • Obj: Table de manipulation pour bouger les puces avec précision:
    • Le montage du pauvre, avec des micro vis, à faire
  • Obj: Lumière réfléchie incidente
    • La lumière du jour fait une lumière incidente correcte à petit grossissement
    • Même avec les microscope fait pour l'observation par transparence
    • A faire: Acheter un éclairage adéquat. Tester avec des vrais éclairages (HB LEDs ?) dans les forts grossissements.

Abrasion

  • Quel type de colle pour fixer la puce sur un support solide et manipulable ?
  • Colle abrasive

Logiciel

Documentation

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