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* camera de 2 à 8 megapixels | * camera de 2 à 8 megapixels | ||
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* Lumière réfléchie (incidente) | * Lumière réfléchie (incidente) | ||
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* http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/ | * http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/ | ||
* http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html | * http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html | ||
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* [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 recherche ebay pour les adaptateur] | * [http://search.ebay.fr/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&catref=C6&from=R40&satitle=microscope+adaptateur&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Code+postal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&saslt=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2 recherche ebay pour les adaptateur] | ||
* [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm des coupleurs de camera faits maison] | * [http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm des coupleurs de camera faits maison] | ||
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| + | == Le Microscope Parfait == | ||
| + | On le cherche toujouts. | ||
| + | |||
| + | === Pistes === | ||
| + | * Ebay? Pas exactement ce qu'on veut. | ||
| + | ** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Seben-SBX-5-Microscope-Binoculaire-SXGA-PC-USB-Oculaire_W0QQitemZ380042217560QQihZ025QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Seben SBX-5 Microscope Binoculaire+SXGA PC USB Oculaire, 1.3MP camera, objective table, 379 euros] | ||
| + | ** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/DIGITAL-MICROSCOPE-40-1600x-with-LCD-and-3-1-MP-camera_W0QQitemZ140246783455QQihZ004QQcategoryZ11815QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem DIGITAL MICROSCOPE 40-1600x ,with LCD and 3,1 MP camera, objective table, 229 euros] | ||
| + | ** [http://cgi.ebay.fr/Microscope-digital-raccordement-a-un-ordinateur-20-1280_W0QQitemZ140246782646QQihZ004QQcategoryZ89509QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Microscope Bresser Biolux, 0.3MP camera, objective table, 129 euros] | ||
| + | * Solution Microscope.fr | ||
| + | ** Differentes pistes sur [http://www.optical-systems.com/ff_search_result.php/keywords/Microscopes/filter2/Microscopes/page/1/filter19/Imaging+Solutions/grid/1/minSimi/9500/sort/Preis/method/0 microscope.fr website] | ||
| + | ** Euromex | ||
| + | *** [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-xe5627-discussion-microscope-p-3134.html Euromex XE.5627 Discussion Microscope] (299 EUR) | ||
| + | *** [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-ae5175-ballbeared-mechanical-stage-p-3972.html Euromex AE.5175 Ball-beared mechanical stage] (169 EUR) | ||
| + | *** either [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-dc3200-cmex3-digi-cmos-microscope-camera-p-3941.html Euromex DC.3200 CMEX-3 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (3 MP)] (989 EUR) or [http://www.optical-systems.com/euromex-dc1300-cmex1-digi-cmos-microscope-camera-p-3942.html Euromex DC.1300 CMEX-1 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (1.3 MP)] (469 EUR) | ||
| + | *** Total: from 937 EUR to 1457 EUR | ||
| + | ** Bresser | ||
| + | *** [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-trino-researcher-401000x-microscope-p-5231.html Bresser Trino Researcher II 40-1000x Microscope] (349 EUR) | ||
| + | *** Inclus un support mécanique | ||
| + | *** [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-pc-microcular-3-mp-p-2129.html Bresser PC MicrOcular 3 MP] (289 EUR) | ||
| + | *** Total: 638 EUR | ||
| + | |||
| + | == Le microscope bricolé du pauvre == | ||
| + | |||
| + | * Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux | ||
| + | ** prêté par un ami de Phil | ||
| + | * Table de manipulation: | ||
| + | ** plaque controlée par micro-vis | ||
| + | ** possibilité d'en acheter une: [http://www.optical-systems.com/bresser-biolux-ng-mechanical-desk-p-2206.html] | ||
| + | * Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3 | ||
| + | ** Mounture: Attachée directement sur l'occulaire | ||
| + | ** Inconvénients: retourne une image ronde (pas carrée, mais sans déformation notable). Image d'un angle plus petit que ce qui est possible via une camera microscopique. | ||
| + | ** Avantage: ça marche et c'est gratuit | ||
| + | * Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera | ||
| + | ** Inconvénient: Faible resolution | ||
| + | ** Advantage: image carrée, adaptée au microscope. | ||
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Revision as of 11:31, 24 February 2009
Contents
Microscope
Thanks to Karsten Nohl presentation at Hacker Space Fest, there's an interesting DIY approach for reverse engineering.
Now we have to find a microscope...
- Friend of Phil will lend a microscope with camera
- not perfect but should enable us to do the first etching/abrasive steps
- We'll try to select and acquire a perfect microscope for this job.
Features
These are the features we're looking for:
- 500x magnification
- 2 MP to 8 MP camera
- Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
- Reflected (incident) lighting
Feature we DON'T NEED:
- Confocal microscope (it seems, because we'll abrase/grind away the upper layers anyway and the bottom layers are opaque anyway too)
Links
- http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
- http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
- Comparison of different microscope imaging solutions
- Adaptor for standard cameras
- Moticam review and some tips
- ebay search for adaptators
- Custom made camera couplers
Perfect Microscope
Still selecting the right model.
Leads
- Ebay? No perfect match yet.
- Microscope.fr solution
- Different leads from microscope.fr website
- Euromex
- Euromex XE.5627 Discussion Microscope (299 EUR)
- Euromex AE.5175 Ball-beared mechanical stage (169 EUR)
- either Euromex DC.3200 CMEX-3 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (3 MP) (989 EUR) or Euromex DC.1300 CMEX-1 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (1.3 MP) (469 EUR)
- Total: from 937 EUR to 1457 EUR
- Bresser
- Bresser Trino Researcher II 40-1000x Microscope (349 EUR)
- Included mechanical stage
- Bresser PC MicrOcular 3 MP (289 EUR)
- Total: 638 EUR
Poor man microscope setup
- Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
- lent by Phil's friend
- Objective table:
- micro-screws controlled moving plate
- possibility to buy one: [1]
- Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
- Mounting: Attached directly to the eye-piece
- Drawback: produces round (not square) pictures (with no noticeable deformation) of smaller size/coverage than regular microscope-camera.
- Advantage: working and free
- Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
- Drawback: Low res.
- Advantage: square images, adapted for the scope.
Results so far
- Req: 500x magnification or higher
- This one goes up to 640x
- Req: 2 MP to 8 MP camera
- The Canon IXUS is 3.2 MP
- Will need to take more photo as just 2/3rd of the picture is usable (round pictures)
- Req: Objective table to move the chip slowly (i.e. not by hand, too much shaking and imprecision)
- Poor man setup with micro-screws, TO DO
- Req: Reflected (incident) lighting
- Reflected light works at lower magnification with daylight
- Even for microscope which is designed for see-through
- TODO: Need to buy adequate lighting. Got to test with external lighting (HB LEDs?) at higher magnification (640x)
Abrasion
- What kind of glue to use to attach the chip to solid/manoeuvrable support?
- Abrasive paste
Software
Documentation
Microscope
La présentation de Karsten Nohl (en) au Hacker Space Fest ouvre la voie à des bricolages interessants de reverse engineering.
Maintenant il nous faut un microscope.
- Un ami de Phil prêtera un microscope avec camera
- Pas l'idéal mais devrait suffire pour les premières étapes d'abrasion et de grattage.
- On va essayer de choisir et de se procurer le microscope idéal à cet emploi.
Fonctionnalités
Voila ce qu'on cherche:
- grossissement 500x
- camera de 2 à 8 megapixels
- Table de manipulation qui puisse faire bouger lentement la puce (c'est à dire pas à la main, ça tremble et c'est trop imprécis)
- Lumière réfléchie (incidente)
Ce dont on n'a PAS besoin :
- Microscope confocal (en tous cas on dirait pas, puisque on va gratter et retirer les couches supérieures et que les couches inférieures sont opaques de toutes façons)
Liens
- http://www.microscopesinfo.com/olympusmicroscope/
- http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.techniques.microscopy/2005-10/msg00004.html
- Comparaison de différents produits de visualisation microscopique
- Adaptateur pour camera normales
- article sur la Moticam et quelques astuces
- recherche ebay pour les adaptateur
- des coupleurs de camera faits maison
Le Microscope Parfait
On le cherche toujouts.
Pistes
- Ebay? Pas exactement ce qu'on veut.
- Solution Microscope.fr
- Differentes pistes sur microscope.fr website
- Euromex
- Euromex XE.5627 Discussion Microscope (299 EUR)
- Euromex AE.5175 Ball-beared mechanical stage (169 EUR)
- either Euromex DC.3200 CMEX-3 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (3 MP) (989 EUR) or Euromex DC.1300 CMEX-1 DIGI CMOS Microscope camera (1.3 MP) (469 EUR)
- Total: from 937 EUR to 1457 EUR
- Bresser
- Bresser Trino Researcher II 40-1000x Microscope (349 EUR)
- Inclus un support mécanique
- Bresser PC MicrOcular 3 MP (289 EUR)
- Total: 638 EUR
Le microscope bricolé du pauvre
- Microscope: 640x optical Bresser Biolux
- prêté par un ami de Phil
- Table de manipulation:
- plaque controlée par micro-vis
- possibilité d'en acheter une: [2]
- Camera: 3.2 MP Canon Ixus V3
- Mounture: Attachée directement sur l'occulaire
- Inconvénients: retourne une image ronde (pas carrée, mais sans déformation notable). Image d'un angle plus petit que ce qui est possible via une camera microscopique.
- Avantage: ça marche et c'est gratuit
- Camera: 0.3 MP Ulead IC Chip camera
- Inconvénient: Faible resolution
- Advantage: image carrée, adaptée au microscope.
